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FAQ

 

What is the process to join F&K?
New/non-FAC holders

Although beginners are allowed to join. Each year the Club applies to the Regional Police, for permission to hold a number of 'Guest' days. This gives the Police the opportunity to attend such days as they deem necessary. It is during 'Guest' days that beginners may attend. Please use the contact form to enquire about guest days and potential membership.

Beginners will be supervised at all times by an appointed experienced Full Club Member and must follow their instructions.

All shooting clubs including Fife & Kinross Full-Bore Rifle Club have specific membership requirements that new members must meet before they can join. This includes being sponsored by an existing club member. Before being granted full membership, beginners will usually have to go through a 'probationary period' minimum of three months. This probationary period may be waived if the applicant is already a Full Member of an Approved Shooting Club (such details will be verified). As part of the application process and probationary period, you'll need to let the club know if you've ever tried to apply for a firearm or shotgun certificate and been rejected. You will also be required to provide 'Referees' to verify your character (such details will also be verified).

Police are very aware of the possibility of people joining a club so that they can own a firearm, and keep in contact with approved clubs (in Scotland it's by the Scottish Executive). For this reason, the club will keep track of how often members attend club shoots. If a probationer/member hasn't shot at the club for 12 months, the police will be told of this, and will investigate accordingly.

If you have attended many of the Club shoots during the probationary period and shown to be of a safe and reliable personage, the Club Committee will make a decision as to whether you will be granted Full Membership. If on the other hand this is not the case you will be refused Membership. In either case the Police will be informed as to the outcome.

On becoming a Full Member and should you wish to apply for a Firearms Certificate (N.B one of the FAC Application Form Referees must be an Official of the Club)  thence obtain you own firearm, you are required to have its use logged by the Club at each of the shoots you use it at.

Clarifications:

  • The legal position is that it is only the first visit that must be a guest day, subsequent visits may be non-guest days as well.

  • In the above text it is written that the probationary period is a minimum of three months. This, although correct, is somewhat misleading. The club's ability to teach a probationer and a probationer's ability to demonstrate rifle handling skills are determined as much by attendance as by time. Hence a probationer beginning at the tail of the season will have to wait until some time in the next season before consideration for full membership will occur.  Whilst this will typically be 6 visits, as the constitution makes plain it is a minimum of 3 months and may be extended ad-infinitum at the committee's discretion, (or even terminated).

  • Legalese Anyone wishing to shoot under the auspicies of the club (member, guest etc.) must be able to confirm the following:- I am not prohibited from possessing a firearm or ammunition by virtue of Section 21 of the Firearms Act 1968 (as amended) (Section 21 relates to individuals who have served a custodial sentence of 3 months or more; applicants should however satisfy themselves as to the content of this legislation.)  Also note that the Firearms acts require clubs to advise the police of any application to join a firearms club.

  • Guest days The secretary will organise guest days on an 'as required' basis; i.e. if persons have indicated their interest, then the secretary will commuincate with our local constabulary (Fife) and ask for a guest day. Past experience is that this can be achieved within a week. In previous years, the first shoot of each month was allocated as a guest day.

  • That there is a guest day scheduled, is more an indication that some body has already approached the club and the club has arranged one, than there are spare guest lots available.  The ability of the club to accommodate people on a guest day is limited.  So if you are interested in attending a quest day, please contact the secretary, and include your name, addresses, phone number (land-line prefered), and confirm your status relative to the legalese (above) etc.

 

I have never shot before, what should I expect on a guest day?

You must bring hearing protection; either ear defenders or ear plugs (both even). Those who wear spectacles should bring a small blob of Bluetack so that we may lift the spectacles to get a better sight line.

You should bring lunch; the shoot divides itself into two details; in the first detail those not shooting, mark targets, and in the second those that marked, shoot .  Each session takes about an hour.  Of course the members spend additional time setting up, and tearing down the range; taking targets to and from the  target shed, range safety flags etc.  

You should arrive at least half an hour before the 'start time'; i.e. 9:30 for 10:00, so that you may be slotted into the proceedings, get a preliminary safety briefing, see and get seen by the members.

Additionally we will have to decide whether you wish to shoot TR or F style, or differently at each range. This takes time.

In each session, you will have an opportunity to shoot towards the end of the detail. You will receive personal supervision; this is both for safety reasons, and necessary coaching in a skill you have never previously experienced.

In the first detail of the first session, you will observe how we shoot from behind the firers at the firing point. You will observe the safety proceedures, and you will observer how people shoot, how we record scores, the challenge of target shooting etc.

Having shot, you will accompany the butt party and will aid them marking the targets in the butts. You will learn how to mark, again with one to one tuition.

At last, you will return to the 500Yard firing point for the second detail, and again be given opportunity shoot. Having shot, you will observe [participate in even!] the tearing down of the range and depart to mull over your experiences.

FAC holders

The process is somewhat more simple, as you are might imagine.  Contact the club secretary, who will provide further information.  There is the probationary period and then full membership. 

Contact

If you wish to contact the Club Secretary (Peter Baxter) by email then please use the following email address in your email application: fkbrcsecy@outlook.com

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Scoring system

The target has marked upon it a number of rings. As the capability of shooters and their equipment has improved, those rings have been made smaller. Originally and until the 1970s we had 5 scoring areas.  In the 1970s to further separate scores an inner 'Vee' ring scoring 5.1 was introduced.  The capabilities of an F class rifle are such that even the Vee bull is too generous, and a smaller mark was introduced. [For F&K, for 2009, as decided after the AGM, TR-F remains on the TR target]

The target is marked from centre outwards with differing green / red coloured discs.  The scorer applies the score appropriate to the discipline followed by the shooter in the score card.  Additionally for F-open and paddle along the bottom of the target is used.  The position and colour is noted in the above table. Therefore :-

Scoring disc

 F-open
F-TRTR

Disc Colour scorepaddle
 score score

RedVee
5.1extreme-RightVee5.1Vee5.1

GreenBull
5
extreme-RightBull5Bull5

RedInner
4
Right
Inner4Inner4

GreenMagpie
3
Left
Magpie3Magpie3

RedOuter
2
extreme-Left Outer2Outer2

GreenHit
1
extreme-LeftHit1Hit1

Inward scoring (with .308 gauge irrespective of calibre)
In some F’ Class competitions a V-Bull will count as 6

May I zero my stalking rifle?

Beyond the legal issue of you using expanding ammunition in your stalking rifle, and target rifle shooting is required to not use expanding ammunition, there is the issue that we shoot at 300 & 500 yards.  Further using calibres outside of 223R & 308W, would mean your stalking rifle would not be competive against (say) 6.5x284, or 6.5x55 Swedish.  In my opinion you would be better served by approaching one of the other clubs that use the BSA facility.

I am under 18; May I join the club?

This is more a matter of the impact of legislation than attitude of the club.  The club only has a few members.  None of the members have Disclosure Scotland accreditation.  Hence the club is unable to act in-loco parentis, and minors must be accompanied by a parent or guardian.

Also the club does not accept members younger than 14 years old; the reasons for this are partially legal, and partially practical - we believe that shooters should learn with rifles that are both lighter and have less recoil; i.e. .22LR or air rifles.  Your point of contact for such clubs is the NSRA.

 

What about a [club] rifle?

The club has 3 rifles [TR-5.56NATO, TR-7.62NATO, TR-F-7.62NATO] for use by members, free of charge.  The club also stocks 7.62 & 5.56 ammunition for members, at cost.  However, please note, that to ensure these are available on the range for your use, the club officials need to be contacted in good time. 
The same applies to ammunition: to ensure that ammuntions is at the range, you need to have forewarned the Firearm's officer. Details will be provided after your first shoot.

After I shoot, what else?

On the range there are a number of tasks that must be completed to enable anyone at all to shoot. Therefore there is a reasonable expectation that if you are not shooting, then you are marking, etc. These tasks include setting up the range, 'Range-Officer'-ing, marking, clearing away the range after shooting. The Blairadam range requires range flags be positioned at the top of the hill (about a 20 minute climb), and at the north and south extremeties. When clearing away the range, it is necessary to rake the sand up into the shot holes of the stop butt. As can be seen this requires colaborative efforts on all attendees, and the day's Range Conducting Officer (RCO) will endeavour to share the load appropriately, but it is never possible to guarantee that each participant will merely do one marking detail.

How do I fill in a score card?

When shooting, you will be given a score card.

When on the firing point, you will be shooting in a pair, or (sometime, less usually) a three-some.  If a pair, you exchange cards; if a three-some, the card goes one place to the right. Shooting commences with the right hand man. Having shot, the target will be marked.  The register keeper (for that shooter) will call out the value of the shot in a clear voice (e.g. "Vee-bull", "Bull-five", etc.) and mark the value in the scorecard.  The next firer then fires.

After the two sighting shoots ("A" & "B"), the register keep will enquire of the firer what he wishes to do; Does he wish to (a) discard the score of both sighters and commence with the next shoot as his first to count, or (b) convert only the second sighter as his first to count, or (c) convert both sighters as his first two counting shots?  In cases b and c, the register keeper copies across the appropriate values into box 1, or 1 and 2.  It is usual to only convert bulls, although this is always at the firer's discretion.

This cycle of shooting and register keeping repeats untiul all counting shots have been fired.

At the end of the shoot, the register will first check that the shooters rifle is clear; that is he will confirm by looking up the barrel from the breech (sans bolt) that there is no round or empty case in the rifle. He will voluably announce this as such ("clear"). Probationers should request that the RCO do this task.  Then count up the score, and agree with the firer that it is correct. Then sign the card - this is important; you have certified the rifle is "clear".

Also, ensure you enter the serial number of the rifle that you use in the box provided.  As explained elsewhere (also), this is so that the club may track your usage of rifles; this is a legal requirement for target [rifle] clubs.

Note : It is a condition of Club Approval that clubs record not only that you have shot, but also the rifles you used. To that end the score card includes a box for your rifle's serial number. It is in your interest to fill it in. Please do so!

 

How do I fill in a plot sheet?

Plot sheets include boxes to record the elevation, wind, your score and numerous other things.  One of the more difficult but useful features are the graphs; the elevation graph (L or R of the main diagram), and the windage graph (below the diagram.)  As these graphs are built up they show trends and the limits of the conditions.

  • Preparing the elevation graph.

    • Find the nearest minute to the elevation appropriate for this range; say you use 12 at 600 yards, then at the mark aligning to  centre of the bull, mark '12'

    • Going up wards mark 11, 10, etc, and downwards mark 13, 14, etc.

  • Preparing the wind-age graph:-

    • Decide the mean wind and mark that on the vertical line through the bull,

    • Then towards the Right, mark increasing minutes of Left wind.

    • Repeat on the left wide, but moving Leftwards away from the centre in in increase minute of Right wind.

  • Using the Elevation graph: -

    • Using the elevation on the rifle, move your pencil to the appropriate horizontal position [for that shot - vertical line]

    • Then, if the shot missed the bull 'high' move your pencil 'up' by the same amount by which the bullet missed the centre line.  [i.e. if 1-minute high, then move up 1-minute and place your mark].

    • Or, if the shot missed the bull 'low' move your pencil 'down' by the same amount.

    • The sequence of dots is your corrected elevation graph of what you should have used at the time the shot was taken.  There is a belief that it should be a horizontal line,+/-� minute.  This belief is false, atmospheric conditions including changing light can cause it to move.  BTW, the tigers of this world claim +/-�.

  • Using the Wind-age graph; the principles are the same as the elevation plot, so

    • Find the wind-age position appropriate to what wind-age was on the rifle when it was fired.

    • Then if the bullet missed the bull to the Right, move your pencil to the Right by that amount.

    • Or if the bullet missed the bull to the Left, move your pencil to the Left by that amount.

    • The sequence of dots thus plotted is the corrected, true wind.

    • When you see conditions return to something similar to that that was earlier in the shoot, your wind graph will act as a strong aid-de-memoire.

    • Also using the plot, it is quiet easy to see the trend; and whilst the extremes are there, it is fairly easy to pick a 'good' enough value for wind. The aim is to get a Vee (or at least a five) and that does not have to be dead centre; i.e. one has to play the percentages, enough wind but not too much.

Alternatively one could be like the South Africans who disregard plot sheets and spend all their non shooting time glued to the spotting 'scope, tracking the mirage. In RSA there is much mirage, and quick changing light airs; the veldt is high up and dry, unlike Bisley that is nearly at sea level and as moist air. SA shooters, if they plot at all, will merely record whether they missed up/down/L/R using marks on an 'X'! Australians and Americans do not plot, for they string shoot, and tend to chase the spotting disc: - shoot, target down, target up, oops missed �R, add �L, shoot, and repeat.

The following example plots sheets are believed to be free for personal use; as

What does it cost?

A guest will pay for their shots (rounds used)  2 details of up to 17 Shots  so (£34)

In general shooting running costs are approx. £1 per bang, to cover the ammunition, barrel wear, etc. Equipment costs could approach about £4000+ if one went immediately for the best of rifle, scope, and other equipment.  But club rifles can be used until you are ready to buy your own.

Is shooting dangerous?

The short answer is [Target Rifle] shooting is not dangerous. 

Statistics show that target rifle shooting is not dangerous, primarily because the Target Rifle shooting community manages that danger.

Concerning the individual, shooting is not classified as a dangerous sport in the way that [say] skiing, climbing etc is; as demonstrated by insurance underwriting rates. Shooters take safety seriously and follow range rules, hence that danger to the participant is controlled.

By law, before a firearm may be sold it must be proofed at the Proof House. At the Proof House, the firearm is tested with an over powerful load, so that having passed that the firer can be sure of the ability of the firearm to handle standard ammunition safely. Hence that danger to the participant is controlled. [The Proof House, Proof acts etc, exist because in days of old, metallurgy was a less exact engineering discipline and there was a real risk that firearms might not cope with their ammunition.]

Concerning the general public near the range, again there is near zero risk. Rifle ranges, and the range orders used on ranges ensure shooting poses absolutely minimal risk to the public. Range geometry is designed to prevent escape of projectiles outside of the designed danger area. Further 99+% of target rifle shots go into the 'black' - never mind the whole target face - and hence are trapped in the bullet trap made of tons of sand in stop butt. So walking in the danger area, whilst target shooting was in progress, would be safer than crossing a busy road. But then again if any one is seen entering the danger area shooting stops - see the range rules. In fact, target shooters are more a danger to the general public when motoring on the public highway to and from their sports ground (the range), than when they are when on the range.

Concerning the general public at large, again look at the statistics. For instance, perversely, the number of injuries due to firearms has gone up, even after pistols were outlawed. See the latest Scottish figures. Why? Because criminals still have access to firearms and have little practical problem acquiring them. The law is followed mainly or only by law abiding citizens. Shooters, keenly aware of the privilege of their FACs, are amongst the most law abiding citizens there are.

  • In Britain, [statistically] there are about 10 road deaths per day, due to accidents.  

  • There is about 1 road death per week, due to tyre blow-outs caused by tyre wall wear due to the increasing number of traffic humps.

  • Whereas deaths of others from legally held firearms is much, much less than either.

  • Using the road analogy, in Britain, you are more at risk of harm when crossing the highway than you are from firearms.

Vehicles on the range

At the [2009] BSA AGM, the issue of cars on the range was raised once again, and there is now some clarity of what the rules are.  

But first some back ground:- The lease that the BSA holds for use of the field, which the BSA inherited from TAVRA, covers use of the firing points and a small strip at the left hand edge of the field.  The TAVRA right of vehicular access for was presumed to be one Bedford truck that could deliver and remove stores [e.g. amunition] and act as an ambulance. For the first 20 years of my membership of F&K, F&K managed without any vehicles on the range. And that was not because the membership was younger; we had then retirees - sadly now passed on, such as Tim MacMillan, Bert Schnazel etc. It is only in recent years that members have taken vehicles on to the range, and in increasing numbers.

At the meeting, it was mentioned that the owner of the field [Mr Meikland] had sought out a member of the BSA committee and that he was 'really agitated' and had said 'sort it out or else I shall padlock the gate'. Perhaps because in the past few years the field was used for animals this has not been an issue, but this year it is an issue for it is a commercial crop.  It is most important that clubs & members using the BSA facility do not abuse the terms of BSA's lease nor damage relationships with the owners, especially because the BSA hopes to negotiate an extension to the lease.

Hence the following extra range orders: -

  1. Shooters must be aware of possibilty of crop damage on the range, and shall conduct themselves accordingly.

  2. The Range Duty Officer for the day may designate at most one vehicle which may drive up & down the range.

  3. The RDO may decide that it is inappropriate to take any vehicle what so ever into the field, for reasons of crop or field damage.

  4. The designated vehicle will make at most two return trips up& down the range.

  5. So as to minimise crop damage, the designated vehicle shall be driven as close as sensible to the North [i.e. LH] boundary of the field.

Whether that means that the one vechicle shall be a 4x4, I leave to other drivers to decide; I, for one, do not drive my [saloon] car up the range. The BSA AGM further discussed the issue of car parking -- in the field. It is felt that parking cars at the bottom of the field (i.e. the triangular area bounded the gate, the acoustic wall and the fence, approximately) was OK, if treated as a priviledge for it is not a right. However again that has to be interpreted sensibly, for damaging any crops would be mega-unhelpful to the interests of shooters using the range.
Brian Woodroffe sec/treas. 21/May/2009

Additionally, the owner of the Binn wood has raised the issue of the [commercial] damage to timber and to chain saws due to bullets embedded in trees. I know most [all?] of these bullets have been found to be 9mm [i.e. military origin]. However you are reminded that the only place to fire bullets at is into the target face, or if zeroing or blowing off, into the sand. The range safety certificate is granted on the premise that, and the regulations are formulated around the premise that all shots are fired into the stop butt, and the purpose of the danger area is merely to capture ricochets.
Brian Woodroffe sec/treas. 2/Jan/2010

Classes of shooting

F&K shoots in the following classes, as defined by bodies such as the NRA, with bullet weights and targets as follows :-

Tr & Tr/F:

308W less than 156 grains, 223R no limit; NRA target

F-open:

no weight limit, F class target.

F/Tr

no weight limit, F class target.

Whilst there is a paucity of numbers, F/Tr scores will be classified together with F-open.  Tr & Tr/F will be separately classified.

 
References
  • FAC: Fife C000004

  • NRA Affiliation: 330

  • Scottish Government: DDG 5/5 F5

Range Messages for TR & F Class Shooting

The following messages should be used for communication between the RCO and the Butts Officer (preceded where appropriate by the relevant target number).

  1. Firing about to commence - raise targets.

  2. No spotting disc visible

  3. Spotting disc unmistakably disagrees with signalled value.  Check that the spotting disc shows the last shot and signal its correct value.  (RCO to view target before passing Message 3 to the Butts Officer.) Confirm result by radio / phone.

  4. A shot has been fired but no signal has been made.  Examine target carefully and signal the shot if found or a miss.  Confirm result by radio / phone.

  5. Shooter has challenged for a higher value for his or her shot.  Examine the whole target and signal the correct value.  Confirm result by radio / phone.

  6. (SR only; Incorrect number of hits reported.)

  7. A miss has been signalled but the shooter has challenged for a scoring shot.  Re-examine the target carefully and signal the shot if found or a miss.  Confirm result by radio / phone.

  8. The spotting disc appears not to have moved. Butt Officer is to consult marker and confirm that the spotting disc is in the latest shot hole. If successive shots have been very close to each other the RO to be advised accordingly.

  9. Marking/Shooting appears to be unduly slow, please hurry up.  [Use with caution, it may upset the other end!]

  10. Stand easy. Half mast.

  11. It is suspected that the wrong shot hole has been patched out.  (Message 11 should only be sent after Message 4 or Message 7 has been sent.) Butts Officer to consult marker and confirm correct value. Confirm result by radio / phone.

  12. Stand easy.  Lower target, patch out and put target back up.

  13. (MR only; lower the targets whilst blow-off shots are being fired.)

  14. It is suspected that there is a second shot on the target. Inspect the target and indicate any further shot found, in addition to the shot presently shown.  Confirm result by radio / phone.

 
Range  setup

Setting up the range involves a number of steps:

Range danger flags

The range requires setting out six [6] red range safety flags.  They are kept in the BSA target shed.

  • The top flag, and the one on the path leading to the summit, take longest to deploy so should be commenced deployment as soon as possible [one person.]

  • The north flag is close to the farmer's field. 

  • The south flags - two, one for the field edge and one for the track.

  • The 500 yard FP.

 
Range semaphore

The range semaphore (aka red triangle, aka paddle) is kept in the BSA target shed.  This needs placing in its socket besides where the steps down into the butts are.

Targets

The target legs, and the counter balance weights live in the BSA target shed, todether with targets.  (F&K's targets are in its shed).  Targets should never be moved by just one person, nor should one person try to mount them into or unmount them out the the legs.  Trying this by oneself is a recipe for hurting oneself - do not do it!

It is important that you keep control of the frames at all times and do not let them run uncontrolled, for if you do, whilst one end slams into the ground, the other end flies upward and jumps out of the frame and remains wedged!  (With difficulty, using something acting as a hammer and/or a prise-bar, one can "persuade" the recalcitrant frame back in position.

Safety kit

One of the club's safety kit from the F&K store, must remain in the butts, and one must go to the Firing Point.

Wind flags

From the F&K target shed, ... When shooting at 300, one flag goes in the edge of the 200 FP, and one is manouvered into the inter-field fence.  When shooting at 500, one flag goes in the edge of the 300 FP (RH), and one is manouvered into the inter-field fence.

Telephones

The club possesses four [4] iCom walkie-talkies; one should be used by the FP and one by the butt party.

Range tear down

Upon message-10, and upon confirmation that the range is cleared of all rifles,

  • As it is the most time consuming task, one member of the butt party should immediately depart for the top flag, and its 'on the path' companion; to BSA shed.  [collect "new" flag on the track.]

  • The butt party should be augmented by a person, or persons from the Firing Point, who should take up the red range safety from the 500 yard Firing Point, bthe first aid kit, and collect the wind flags on the way up. 

  • The field flags [north:- 1, and south:- 2] flags should be collected and placed back in the BSA shed.

  • The targets to F&K shed, target frame legs & counter weights to BSA shed.

  • First aid kits to F&K shed.

  • Firing Point red range triangle to BSA shed.

  • Collect all rubbish into a sack [take one from the roll in the F&K target shed], and remove it from the range. This includes black sticker patch tape!

  • Using a rake [kept in the BSA shed], rake the disturbed sand.  Prefer to rake in an upwards direction; certainly not downwards!

  • Bring iCom phone to the 500 Firing Point.

  • Put barrels back into appropriate store; lock same.

  • All locks should have their tumblers randomised.

  • All score cards should go to the [match] secretary.

  • All spare targets and iCom phones should returned to the appropriate person(s).

  • The BSA's official version is here